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Harrington is the perfect comparison to Chandler. A ball stopper with terrible shot selection. Definitely not what we need in our starting lineup , or even on the bench.
At least Harrington could nail the 3 consistently when left open, something Chandler can’t do for the life of him. This is extremely frustrating considering Chandler has decent numbers, but still no team seems willing to bite on him. Fernandez would have been such a classic fit!!!
Seems to be a lot of hate on a productive player. Wonder why? Oh it’s because your Euro hopeful has been … how can I put it kindly? Oh I can’t, the guy is ultra soft. Waiting on Gallo to come through is like waiting on rain in the desert. It may happen but I guarantee you die of thirst before it does.
LOL @ Knick Wiz. Fernandez is the answer. SMH. Enough said.
There’s no talking sense to some fans. You call Wil “productive” while disparaging Gallinari (what the fact that he is European has to do with anything is beyond me).
However people who back Wil as a player offer nothing but platitudes in his defense. Is he really “productive” as you assert? If high volume, low efficiency shooters are productive, then yes I suppose he is, although no more “productive” by that definition than Al Harrington or Jamal Crawford.
If you want to explain why Gallinari scores more per points per possession used than Wil, I’m all ears. If you want to explain why Gallinari gets accused of standing around and shooting threes and doing little else, then I’d like to hear your explanation as to why he shoots the 2nd most free throws per game on the Knicks while Wil, supposedly the aggressive slasher is fifth.
Until people who blindly support Wil can tell me why he’s better than average in any way on offense, I can’t take them seriously.
This is somewhat surprising. If they were the same age, I would be concerned that Wil is going to be only as good as Al. But the fact he is putting up commensurate numbers as a bench player at his age to what Al Harrington was putting up ‘in his prime’ as the defacto knicks gunner is actually somewhat encouraging. Wil is young and he found his scoring acumen this year. He’s gotten better and better and I think in a short period of time (maybe even this year) he will improve his shot selection. This means MORE driving and less settling for the long 2.
@Dan L… I don’t blindly support Wil, but he’s clearly a better than average offensive player. He takes a lot of jumpers because he fights to get open. The fact he doesn’t make them at a higher rate is a different story. Getting open is an offensive skill. If he had a better jumpshot (which has gotten better over the years), we wouldn’t be discussing this. The main problem is we have a young knicks team and right now, we don’t have a better option. What should we do, not play him?
Well I agree that you aren’t blindly supporting Wil because you’re making a substantive argument.
I just question the accuracy of what you’re arguing. Wil isn’t actually doing anything different from what he’s always done in his career, he’s just doing more of it. His offensive percentages are the same. He just happens to be shooting more and I believe a higher ratio of threes to 2s than ever before, which is a problem because that means he’s shooting more 3s, at a roughly 30% clip. So I wouldn’t necessarily give him credit for getting open when half his shots are 3s that the D is more than happy to give him.
D’Antoni shouldn’t hold him out of games but he should take away his green light.
DanL, it’s about time to pay the piper and re-examine most of your analysis over the past two years. As you know, I have been telling you that Walsh’s efforts towards LeBron was going to be a failure when he started that idiocy of creating cap space but failing to build a team. (It’s been confirmed that LeBron wanted to play on a team, not with expired or tired contracts).
I also told you that Walsh did a bad job in constructing the present team. He should have addressed the point guard issue first, a couple of years ago when he obviously paid too much for a person who could not and never did run Mike D’Antoni’s offense. The team he has constructed is a mess.
His most glaring mistake was taking Danilo Gallinari because he was “related” to coach. Gallinari is practically useless. He cna shoot until he gets shut down, until the defense pays attention to him. His assists, rebounding and defense are suspect at best.
However, I don’t blame Gallo and I don’t blame Chandler. It all points to D’Antoni. He is not developing players that have clear skills for traditional have court sets and fast breaks. D’Antoni has had these guys relying on tres since he got here. He even had Jeffries shooting tres.
Alex is completely correct. Wilson is a very good player and is better than Harrington who is a good offensive player. But D’Antoni’s style does not work for Stoudemire, Gallinari, Harrington or anyone else who needs to have space created by not just ball movement but player movement including any series of picks to free up players.
Wilson is the second best player on the team, but he is not put into a position to be his best.
It’s getting real close to the time for you just to admit that the past two years sucked in order to make this one suck. Losing to the Twolves is symbolic of a failure of the grandest proportions.
Now let’s blame all this on Isiah. LOL. Walsh and D’Antoni have got to go.
To early for I told you so’s Lives but I won’t have any issue tipping my hat to you if the season winds up being a failure.
Dan, you know I am very patient. That was just a reminder that the time is near for a reckoning. Thank goodness, because it is about time to move on to the next era of Knickdom.
Remember when Gallo was supposed to be better than Jamal Crawford on both ends of the floor? Sheesh!!!
He is better than Jamal Crawford on both sides of the court though. I’m not going to engage in an argument about why I think that but if you look at my comments to this post about Wilson Chandler and my previous post about Wilson Chandler, and replace the words “Wilson Chandler” with “Jamal Crawford”, you could probably figure it out.
Crawford is a much better basketball player and a better athlete than Gallinari. He has better handles than Gallo and can get to the bucket better than Gallo. Gallo may have the better shooting percentage but Gallo disappears 5 outta 6 games whereas Crawford scores consistently. Neither Crawford nor Gallo are regarded as solid defensive players in the NBA so that’s a pointless argument.
I just haven’t seen anything from Gallinari to justify the hype. I honestly believe that if you were to take a poll of NBA players as to who they thought the better player was, majority would say Crawford.
Thanks for pointing that out JLS125. That is absolutely wishful thinking on DanL’s part. Two years ago Gallo was a better “prospect” then Jamal, that’s about it. When Jamal was traded folks were wishing and believing that Gallo would be a better option than Crawford. However, if you looked at his body of work in Europe at the time, there was nothing to suggest that he was anything but Jamal Crawford, except that he might have a better percentage at the 3. Nothing.
In fact, it looked as though his game might be exactly the same as Craws except his length gave him the potential to be a better defender.
“Better” never happened and it never came. First and foremost, Gallo’s skill development has suffered under D’Antoni. You can’t let the kid stand idol at the three point line waiting to take a shot for most of three years and expect him to play a balanced offensive game at the end of three years. By now, with his prospective skill set, Gallo should be working on a post-up game, a fade away, a step back, and stop and pop curls around defenders. He can’t consistently hit a rim on the move. But that is practice, practice, and situational practice.
Gallo’s defense sucks. The Knicks’ defense sucks. There is no argument to make here. Gallo is long but can’t stay in front of his man and uses his hands to waive at his opponents as though he is greeting them as they pass him to the basket. He also is afraid to play jumpshooters close so they all just shoot over him to great efficiency. Every game some no name forward or two guard starts the game looking like Bernard King over our defenders.
Gallo’s defense is not his fault totally either. Gallo is the one at the end of last year who asked to guard the opponent’s best players. He asked to allow D’Antoni to make him a better one-on-one defender. What happened with that enthusiasm and desire? If he was coached real defense not “pretend” defense, he would probably be more effective. But D’Antoni believes defense is a native instinct, not a learned proposition.
But Gallo’s greatest problem (and you are going to hate this) is that he is not mentally suited to rise to the level of his talent. I don’t like to talk about a ball player’s IQ as most of you did with Balkman, so I won’t say he has a low IQ. I will just say he does not show as good an understanding of the game as someone who has been playing it for as long as he does should.
First off, Gallo loses focus so fast. He does not seem to know how to stay in every possession and looks lost. When he is locked in, it is for less than five minute spurts, or so it seems. Second, he seems to have no understanding of how to maximize his skills in certain situations. If he did he would drive a lot more to get to the foul line and focus on putting the other team in the bonus as fast as possible. (He CAN do that) However he’s not thinking. Third, he admits that he does not believe that he can be s superstar which is the dembest shit I have ever heard come from a top first round pick not named “Charles Barkley.” Gallo has a total misunderstanding of why he is here — it’s not to take orders or to please his uncle. It’s to be the best baller possible, which means you use your intellect to understand the game in ways your Uncle no longer can.
For him to share that kind of doubt about his ability to be as good as a Dirk Nowitzki, even if you want to suggest it’s his good guy humility is absolutely disappointing. Gallo’s main quality was supposed to be that he is relentless about being a winner, being the best. And now he can’t even envision himself as being as good as Dirk.
Time for Gallo to go somewhere and learn to play some real ball. I believe Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant can turn him into a real good sixth man. Not as smart or as good as Jamal, but good enough to have a nice long career if he wants to have one as a role player.
Thanks for that opus. I stopped reading after “You can’t let the kid stand idol at the three point line waiting to take a shot for most of three years and expect him to play a balanced offensive game at the end of three years.”
It reinforces to me that many people either just don’t know what they are watching or have preconceived opinions that they have to justify.
Just look at the numbers and go tell me who takes it to the rack the most after Amar’e this year? Between Wil and Gallo who took more foul shots last year? Who is shooting more 3′s this year. Wil or Gallo? Wil is the player standing around shooting long jumpers that are out of his range. Gallinari is being aggressive and putting the ball on the floor. If you don’t agree, please explain the stats.
You jest right? Why should I respond to you when you clearly can’t respond to something you haven’t read. Funny dude?
You don’t want to read things you disagree with. no problem. Your blog. I’ll come back when I have something you can nod your head in agreement with and be able to read without being forced to rethink your analysis and touch the warts enveloping your arguments.
BTW, don’t just look at the numbers look at the games and judge what’s happening in the context of a game. You seem to be willing to pretend to do that when you compare Harrington and Chandler to prove a faulty premise?
Don’t get it twisted. I’ve been asking people who need to build up Chandler by disparaging Gallinari to explain the clear discrepancy between the facts and their arguments since the season started but nobody wants to engage me substantively. My asking for an explanation on this issue didn’t just start this morning when you felt the need to come over here and gloat.
Dan, feel free to pay us a visit at http://www.Knicksfanaticsblog.com. I enjoyed this debate so much that I dedicated a post to it. See WORD TO KNICKSFANBLOG: THE END OF HE WALSH ERA IS NEAR AND IT IS ALMOST TIME TO ADMIT HE BLEW IT!!
9 games. Where was this bravado when the Knicks were 3-2? Check back in with me a little longer than 2 weeks into the year.
Yeah right. I started this bravado two years ago. Not too long ago when I said LeBron wasn’t coming you told me that I had my foot in my mouth. Please. I’ve never changed, you’ve just consistently been wrong but claiming it is always too soon to judge. At some point the evidence should be clear even to those who desire to be deluded forever.
I’ve always come to you straightforward and I certainly find it appropriate to remind you when the evidence is less disputable. Don’t whine just face reality.
Not sure what you’re looking for Lives, a pat on the back. An ego boost that you think you’ll get from me crawling away with my tail between my legs? It’s not going to happen.
I know you’re the smartest man in the room so maybe the Knicks should’nt have fired Isiah Thomas, maybe they should’ve hired Mark Jackson once they did. Maybe they shouldn’t have traded Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford so that there’d be a chance they’d get booted out of the playoffs in 4 games for two years in a row. Maybe they should’ve drafted Brandon Jennings, though if they were a marginal playoff team they wouldn’t have an opportunity to.
Or maybe they should’ve swung for the fences and try to turn their team into a contender. Maybe they should’ve put themselves in a position to make a strong pitch to arguably the best player of this generation. Maybe whether that effort was successful or not it was still a worthy endeavor and worth the sacrifice of potentially, an early playoff exit or two.
Two perspectives on things Lives. I preferred the shot at glory rather than complacence and I still do.
By the way, where were you when the Knicks were 3-2?
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