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Knicks Need to Put CP3 in Context

Chris Paul is a transcendent player. To this point he’s putting together a career that would probably make him the second greatest small man to ever play the game. And he was born to run Mike D’Antoni’s system.

Still, with Paul wanting out and the Knicks on his list of preferred destinations, Donnie Walsh needs to be a little bit wary here.

And not only for the reason explained in Dan’s last post, though that’s a very good reason in and of itself. But also because, as great as Paul is now, the Knicks could end up paying an exorbitant price in talent and flexibility for a player that can’t put the Knicks over the top on his own and may be washed up within 5-6 years.

Here are the issues as I see them:

1. Point guards who profile similarly to Paul tend to have short careers. Paul dominates the NBA from a very low perch. He’s only 6’0 tall or thereabouts and he plays an intrepid game that relies on other worldly speed and quickness and the ability to take a pounding in the paint. Players of note with similar physical profiles who also liked to play amongst the trees: Isiah Thomas, Calvin Murhpy, Kevin Johnson, Stephon Marbury, Allen Iverson, Kenny Anderson, Damon Stoudamire. All those guys were washed up by their early 30s.

2. Paul has a degenerative knee condition. Yes he is only 25. But his left knee is much older. Paul suffered a torn meniscus–the cartilage around the knee area that serves as a shock absorber–and underwent arthroscopic surgery last season to have the condition cleaned up. The injury stands to get worse over time, though, and players who suffer from it tend to lose cartilage to the point where their knee ultimately becomes bone-on-bone. To appreciate what that means to a player, think back to Tim Hardaway and Charlie Ward late in their careers when they struggled to even change ends and were literally dragging one leg up and down the court.

3. Would it make the Knicks good enough to win a title? As Dan explained in his post, any Paul trade would deplete the Knicks’ pool of young talent and eat up all the team’s hard earned cap flexibility. If Amar’e and Paul have something like a 5 year window where they’re likely to both remain dominant players (and that’s all I think it’s fair to project that they have), will a team built around those two be good enough during that timeframe to compete for a championship? Especially considering that the Heat’s big 3 will be barnstorming the league during the exact same 5 year period? I’m not so sure…

4. Other great point guards are poised to enter the free agent market over the next two years. If the Knicks pass on Paul, Tommy Dee has sources saying that Tony Parker is almost a lock to be Broadway bound next summer. Parker is no Chris Paul (he’s not really even an ideal fit for SSOL) but he’s a star player who has won 3 championships and was a Finals MVP in 2007. To say that his resume is more impressive than Paul’s in the areas that actually count is an extreme understatement. Parker will be 29 next season and he faces the same longevity concerns that I addressed earlier in the post, but a Parker deal won’t cost the team nearly as much money and he won’t deplete the talent base or jeopardize the Knicks’ long-term cap flexibility.

That said, I think the Knicks would be wisest to pass on Parker as well and, if they do, there may be an even bigger pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Paul is not the only elite PG who has groused recently about his team’s inability to put a championship caliber core around him. Deron Williams has watched the Jazz lose Carlos Boozer and Kyle Korver this summer–two winning players who complimented his talents perfectly. They responded by adding Al Jefferson, a productive albeit unproven big man, but I’ll go on record now that even in the best case he won’t be an ideal fit in Jerry Sloan’s pick-and-roll centric sets. No question the Jazz took a step back this summer and it’s very clear that their superstar noticed.

Williams doesn’t carry with him any of the concerns I detailed above vis a vis Paul. He doesn’t have a significant injury history and PGs of his size and strength have played at a high level well into their late 30s (see Kidd, Jason; Jackson, Mark). If the Knicks were able to sign Williams in 2012, he could potentially serve as the foundation for a long run of championship level teams with Gallinari and Randolph as part of a talented and dynamic supporting cast. To me, this would be the best possible outcome by far.

Sometimes an opportunity presents itself that, when viewed in the context of a team’s overall situation and potential alternatives, is just too good to pass up.

But given the position the Knicks are in right now, is casting their lot with Chris Paul one of those opportunities? I’m not so sure.

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Don’t Sell The Farm For CP3

It’s been simmering for awhile but it finally seemed to boil over yesterday: Chris Paul wants out of New Orleans.

Apparently the Knicks are on his short list and that has a lot of fans giddy. But I’d like to step on the brakes a little.

It’s obvious Paul is a top 5-10 player in the league but that doesn’t mean the Knicks should burn the house down in order to get him. I don’t want the Knicks to be left with Amare, Paul, and a pile of smoldering rubble. I’d urge fans to look how far the Knicks have come after their 10 year foray into the wilderness. For the first time the team has the semblance of a balanced roster, with a superstar, veteran leadership, up and coming potential stars, good role players, depth on the bench, and importantly, cap flexibility going forward.

Depending on what New Orleans is demanding for Paul, I’d say the Knicks would have to sacrifice a lot of that. It may not be worth it.

Sure, the Knicks with John Candy, Amare, Gallo/Randolph, Chris Farley and Chris Paul could probably win close to 50 games but the Knicks are headed in that direction anyway. If you trade for Chris Paul and give up valuable assets you want to be a contender and that means keeping some of your rising stars, some of your depth, and importantly, your flexibility.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d make a trade for Chris Paul, but I’d impose he following condition: If the Hornets want Randolph or Gallinari, they shouldn’t expect the Knicks to take back Emeka Okafor and the 4 years/$52 million left on his contract. The Knicks have come too far after too long and made significant sacrifices. Losing a rising star, bench depth, and killing future flexibility is a non-starter for me since the Knicks would not necessarily be transformed into a title contender and they would have a limited ability to improve going forward.

Believe it or not there are alternatives to Chris Paul. The Knicks can make no additional roster moves this year and have space for Tony Parker next Summer. All the while they would see what they have with Gallinari, Randolph, Toney Douglas, Wilson Chandler, etc., and they would maintain the flexibility to improve through future roster moves.

On a related note I’d like to remind Knicks’ fans how they got burned this summer by arrogant players who lead them along instead of being up front and making clear that they never had any intention to sign with the Knicks. The Knicks have been and will be used for leverage. It does make me uncomfortable that Chris Paul is in bed with the Maverick Carter, LRMR and CAA douchebag triumvirate. Frankly I pay no credence to rumors emanating from that manipulative, duplicitous, stinking pile of carrion. Same with their pro-bono PR-firm, ESPN. If something happens, great, until then, I’m very excited about the group the Knicks have assembled.

The Knicks don’t need to sell their souls just to take a short trip to purgatory before returning the hell.

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Too Many Forwards. Not Enough Guards.

The Knicks’ offseason has seen a major overhaul to the roster. There are but two players left on the roster that harken back to the previous regime: Eddy Curry, and Wilson Chandler. In there place are new pieces, but many are redundant wing players. The Knicks have a lot up front and very little behind.

Any of the following players could see time at the three this year:

  • Chandler
  • Anthony Randolph
  • Bill Walker
  • Kelenna Azubuike
  • Danilo Gallinari
  • Landry Fields

But what do the Knicks have in the backcourt, specifically shooting guard?

Walker and Azubuike are the best fits on the Knicks roster at the 2. They can both spread the floor. Both however, seem to need work on their passing and are best suited as forwards. Chandler played at the 2 last year and should also be considered for the position. All three are very young and all three have potential. All three also have injury problems.

Chandler has many strengths. He is very athletic. He is creative with the ball off the dribble. He is dynamic in the midrange game. He’s an above average defender.

He also has many weakness. He has poor court awareness on offense. He is a poor rebounder for a forward. He is inconsistent at best from beyond 15 feet. He isn’t a willing passer, by any stretch. In fact, he’s a bit of a ball stopper.

On an even playing field, Chandler seems, at best, like the third best 3 the Knicks have and, possibly, the third best 2 in terms of fit.

The Knicks have team options on Chandler, Gallinari, Walker, and Randolph next summer. Something is going to have to give. In my opinion, Chandler is expendable in the right deal for a 2 who can spread the floor with his shooting range, keep the ball moving, and maybe, since the Knicks don’t have Steve Nash, create for himself.

As much as the Knicks’ roster has improved, this is one area that is still lacking.

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Harrington: D’Antoni Didn’t Want Me

Al Harrington, now a member of the New York Knicks, looked back on his time here and said of Mike D’Antoni: “He obviously didn’t want me there.”

Well, that makes all of us.

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Putting A Timeline On The Knicks Knext Moves

First blog post in awhile. I’m still processing “the decision” and will have something to say about it, but not yet.

Instead I’m going to focus on the next star the Knicks may be chasing: Carmelo Anthony.

We’re all aware that ‘Melo and his wife have flirted with the idea that ‘Melo wants to play in New York City. He has an offer for a 3 year – $65 million extension but he hasn’t signed it yet. I don’t know anything, but in my opinion he doesn’t want to stay in Denver. The team is on a downward spiral like the Cavs were before LeBron left and he knows he can’t win there.

LeBron left the Cavs with nothing and the Nuggets might not want history to repeat itself in the Centennial State (I looked it up). After “the decision”, I’m not willing to put any faith into the notion that some hero will on arrive on a stately steed, the grace of the Gods reflecting off of his glistening armor. The notion of Chris Paul and ‘Melo joining up to return the Knicks to glory seems to me, after “the decision” fiasco, rather quaint.

However, it does seem that Donnie is maintaining some cap flexibility while also adding many marketable assets that can be used in a trade for Mr. Anthony or someone else. He just can’t use them right away.

For example, Ray Felton and Drako can’t be traded under the Collective Bargaining Agreement until December 15.

Also, the guys the Knicks just traded for (Amare – just saying, Azubuike, Randolph, Turiaf) can’t be traded in combination with any other player for two months from the date of the trade. So roughly the first week of September. [UPDATE/CORRECTION: Of course Mr. Coon's FAQ makes clear that the restriction in this paragraph applies only to teams over the cap. The Knicks are under, so any of the Golden State guys can be combined with each other or any other eligible player.]

In other words, don’t look for any of the Knicks’ new players to be used as trade bait for a few months at the earliest. Of course, the Knicks can put together a package that includes their old players and trade those guys at any time, but then, they could have done that already if there was a market for them.

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Fan Satisfaction Poll

Are you satisfied with (check all that apply)...

  • The overall direction of the Knicks (77%, 245 Votes)
  • Donnie Walsh (59%, 187 Votes)
  • Mike D'Antoni (41%, 131 Votes)
  • None of 'em (15%, 47 Votes)

Total Voters: 318

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Knicks May Need Johnson to Save Them From Themselves

Here’s hoping Amar’e's powers of persuasion fail with Joe Johnson and that he accepts a max salary deal to stay in Atlanta. And that’s not because I don’t like Joe Johnson. He’s a premium guy and a top 5 player at his position, but it’s one thing to be talking about signing Joe to a contract that starts at around $13-14 million. It’s a whole other thing to be talking about giving him a deal that averages $21 million per over 6 years. At $13 million Johnson is cumbersome but justifiable–the cost of doing business on an elite player for a franchise trying to reassert itself among the elite. But at $21 million he’s a two ton anchor that threatens to sink the whole ship.

I know what some of you are thinking right about now (especially Stallion): Well, what’s Amar’e at max dollars then? Isn’t he the same type of albatross as Johnson? And while I see the merit of that logic, I disagree with it. For starters Amar’e is an elite big man and elite big men are in short supply. Yes, the Knicks could’ve resigned David Lee instead but, for the reasons Dan discusses in his post from earlier today, I think Amar’e is the better play. Amar’e is a one dimensional player, but in that one dimension he is an absolute dynamo–the very best in the league at what he does best. With the way this free agent market is shaping up, paying top dollar for a premium player with dominant skill is justifiable.

Getting out in front of the market and taking Amar’e out of play with other teams was an inspired move by Walsh and Co. There are a finite number of elite bigs available and, of those, Amar’e was generally perceived as being second best. By removing him as an option for their competitors, the Knicks have created a Bosh or bust environment for pretty much all the other teams vying for Lebron. And if teams do go bust on Bosh (who in this process seems to be marching to the beat of his own drummer), they may find themselves in the midst of a nightmarish summer.

But even if you accept my argument for why Amar’e is a good risk for the Knicks, he’s still a big risk. And the risk is only compounded by signing another quasi-elite player for crazy money. With only Amar’e in tow, the Knicks still have great flexibility to improve the team significantly both in the short and long term. The worst thing the Knicks could do at this point is lock themselves into two insanely expensive max contracts for the next 5-6 years that would choke off that flexibility and put a hard cap on the team’s long-term potential.

I know Amar’e and D’Antoni love Joe Johnson and I know Walsh has a special relationship with Johnson’s agent, Arn Tellem of Wasserman Media Group, but all of their careers would be better served by loving him from afar. A much better way to go for the Knicks would be to position themselves to acquire Tony Parker (perhaps for Wilson Chandler, Tony Douglas and a sizable trade exception) while trying to extract young talent from David Lee’s quest for a max deal of his own. Wolves’ GM extraordinaire David Kahn is said to be in heat for D. Lee and if Kahn offers him that max deal it might be too much scratch for Lee to pass up. The Wolves are only about $7 million under the cap after locking down twin towers Nikola Pekovic and Darko Milicic so if Lee and Kahn want to hook up they’re going to need the Knicks to be their matchmaker. In that scenario, Walsh might be able to extract two players from a five man group consisting of Kevin Love, Jonny Flynn, Corey Brewer, Ramon Sessions and Martell Webster.

If the Knicks steered clear of Johnson and all of the above came to fruition, they could conceivably field a team next season consisting of, for instance, Parker, Webster, Gallo, Amar’e and Love. Or perhaps Parker, Walker, Gallo, Amare, and Love with Sessions or Flynn coming off the bench. You get the idea.

A team like that has much more long-term upside than one that’s irretrievably locked in on insane max deals for marginal superstars. Parker’s (and Eddy Curry’s) contract would be ending after next season and the other players on the roster would all be still-developing guys in their early 20s playing on short, reasonable contracts.

It’s not Lebron and Bosh or even Amar’e and Joe Johnson but that’s a pretty good blueprint to turn the Knicks into a serious contender for right now and well into the future.

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Lee Ya Later

I will preface this post by saying that I really like David Lee. A lot. He’s a really nice player. He has gumption and heart. We all watched him get better over the last five years season by season and he made greater strides in each subsequent year. This past year he turned himself into an all-star by perfecting – seemingly overnight a quarter of the way into the season – his midrange jumper.

But now that the Knicks are closing in on Amar’e Stoudemire it looks like they are likely to also close the door on David Lee. A lot of Knicks fans lament that the Knicks “didn’t take care of their own”. But believe me, Lee isn’t looking at it that way. He’s looking to score a max contract and he’s making the rounds to the Bulls, the Heat, the Nets, the Wolves, etc. David Lee isn’t going to look back. He’s going to take care of himself. And Knicks fans should look at it the same way. The Knicks are trying to take care of themselves.

Amar’e Stoudemire has the ability to make the Knicks viable again. People will take them seriously now for the first time since Scott Layden passed on him in the 2002 NBA draft. Amar’e can attract other stars because he’s a five time all-star with enough cachet around the league to get another star to listen to him recruit for the Knicks. Why? Because he’s been part of 50 win teams, 60 win teams. He doesn’t get all the credit, but those are just the facts. I’m not saying it’s fair. I’m just saying that’s how it is.

For approximately $3 million more per year you’re getting a lot more value for your money out of Amar’e. For example, word has it that Amar’e is recruiting LeBron to join him in New York. Would LeBron even take David Lee’s calls?

Lee is nice but he’s a glorified hustle player and other players around the league understand this. He makes the all-star team because someone else is hurt. He gets dominated by the other all-stars. This isn’t to bash the guy. He’s grown into a terrific basketball player before our eyes. Enough so that he’s got visions of swimming in a pool of cash that some other team is going to fork over. He’s going to put the money in the bag and never look back. Don’t cry for him folks. He’s gonna be fine.

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Knicks Closing In On Amare Stoudemire?

The Knicks Blog’s Tommy Dee was first to report that the Knicks and Amar’e Stoudemire are inching closer to an agreement that would bring the former Suns big-man to the Garden. And this afternoon Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski corroborated Tommy’s report on twitter:

Knicks and Amar’e Stoudemire are making progress on 5 year, max contract, sources say. Framework of deal in place, talks continuing today.

An Amare signing could put the Knicks in the catbird’s seat as the situations with other players progress. We’ll have more as this develops…

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Tracking The Knicks’ Meetings

From what I’ve been able to cull over the internet, here are the players the Knicks have been in contact with so far:

  • Joe Johnson
  • David Lee
  • Mike Miller
  • Paul Pierce
  • Amare’ Stoudemire
  • LeBron James
  • Ray Felton
  • Dywane Wade
  • Chris Bosh

If you read anything else let us know in the comments and we’ll update the post.

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